Veepstakes watch: Obama has chosen Joe Biden as VP
by Lisa Stone

UPDATED AT 9:15 AM on Aug. 23: It's official - BarackObama.com announces "Barack has chosen Joe Biden to be his running mate. Joe Biden brings extensive foreign policy experience, an impressive record of collaborating across party lines, and a direct approach to getting the job done. We have our team, but we also have our work cut out for us. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the leaders who will bring the change our country needs. But they can't do it alone. Show your support for the Obama-Biden ticket by making a donation today."

Reactions from the BlogHer community thus far are mixed: Some pro, some con, with blogger on both sides wondering how the mainstream media broke the story ahead of the Obama '08 email and text that went out this morning.

Jill Miller Zimon is pro: Biden! Yes! Did the happy dance at 8:01 am

Elisa Camahort Page is con: I'll stick with ugh

The Anonymous source is both, saying that the Netroots can't handle Biden's truth but he's articulate.

Maria Niles is tactical and analytical, both below and on her personal blog: "The official announcement is still wet behind the ears and already the sniping, criticizing and whining has begun. This is the real problem with Democrats. Not the choice of Biden but our seeming inability to keep our eyes on the prize..."

What do you think? Add your links!

More in the comments below.

UPDATED at 10:19 PM on Aug. 22: The New York Times is reporting that Sen. Joseph R. Biden (D-Del.) is Barack Obama's choice for running mate. No confirmation has yet appeared at barackobama.com. If this is true, what do you think of the choice?

Original post:

Are you one of the Americans sitting on the edge of their seats to learn who presumptive presidential nominees Barack Obama and John McCain will select as running mates?

I am.

Earlier this week, Mary Katharine Ham blogged that Obama's likely to pick first, given that McCain has another week to get organized before his political convention and the rumblings around Obama's speech tomorrow, Saturday Aug. 23 in Springfield, Ill. where he launch his bid for the presidency.

So tell me: Who do you think Obama should pick? Morra Aarons-Mele recommended decorated military vet Jim Webb as the "perfect" VP for an Obama ticket.

How about you? And are you one of the people who signed up for a Twitter or SMS text notification when Obama does announce?

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I drunken emailed Obama last night

 I realized I'm pretty attached to the idea of being represented by a woman - so whoever he picks I'm hoping it's not another dick.

 So I drunken emailed him last night. http://www.blogfabulous.com/barack-obama-chooses-vp-today/

He sent this reponse: 

Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting us to share your thoughts on choosing a Vice President. Senator Obama is deeply honored to be the Democratic nominee, and we have noted your input on this important decision.

Thank you again for contacting us.
Sincerely,
Obama for America

 So, I'm waiting for my text message.

Empowering Girls: So Sioux Me

Blog Fabulous

 

Tracee you look very Vice-Presidential...

next to that cardboard cutout of the Senator! Thanks for the comment. Now I have to stop laughing...

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

 

lmao

After hearing who he picked, I might fire off a drunken email as well. First I have to do something I've not done in years (get drunk.) One beer simply will not provide the proper insight needed for such a potentially politically astute and cogent email... which of course is inversely proportional to the amount of alcohol (it could be margaritas) consumed. :)

Guess I'll just have to say something whilst sober, which is a great pity, because it will hardly be inspired, just damn annoyed.

Biden - wtf?

How is that for a reasoned opinion?

Yeah, I was hoping Obama had the insight and the understanding of why he should select a woman. Hillary had some caché, but there was that whole Bill thing, along with the fact Hillary might have said something that hurt Barack's feelings. Can't have that, can (h)(w)e?

I was hoping for inspiration. For excitement. To be able to scream 'yahoooooo!' and move on towards the election. What we got is someone who can inflate a regulation hot air balloon simply by talking into it for an hour or so.

Do either of these guys give a shit about the issues that concern women? Once again, more than half the country goes unrepresented (unless McCain is the one who makes an inspired choice.)

It is a good thing liberals are generally for gun control - we keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

 

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

gee thanks

You knew I'd be drinking coffee when you wrote that. You wrote it just to see how big a mess I could spew all over my tablet when I read it. I You did that on purpose.

And it's awesome.

Gun control. Shooting ourselves in the foot. Hah. Awesome. You must have slept well last night.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

Rumblings...

speculating on Romney being McCain's choice.

If so, then McCain is matching Obama's inanity, and well... we are back to status quo ante.  

Romney is ten times worse than Biden. I've watched this guy from not too far a distance, given this is part of the greater Boston area in terms of media coverage and saturation. I cannot think of someone I'd least like to see near the presidency.

My gosh, I'm living on the Bizarro world.  

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

If it is Romney

I'll have to stay home or write in your name.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

Except you know...

that would be the worst choice of all. 

Don't vote for me! Has anyone ever campaigned against themselves? Wait... Obama just did.

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

Just cause a pol is a woman

Do either of these guys give a shit about the issues that concern women? Once again, more than half the country goes unrepresented (unless McCain is the one who makes an inspired choice.)

Just because an elected official is a woman does not mean that she cares about issues that effect women. Look at Libby Dole for goodness sake! I'd far rather have someone like Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden than Kay Bailey Hutchinson representing me! Those guys may not be women, but they've stuck their necks out pretty far to advocate for issues that are important to me as a woman, whereas some female elected officials have voted against them. It'll be great to have more women in office, but I don't think blanket support to any woman is going to guarantee that certain issues are addressed. (Think about Ann Coulter, Phyllis Schlafly, and their colleagues.)

Suzanne Reisman, Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender
Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) & Oth

 

The choices we are talking on..

are not Schlafly or Coulter; rather viable, strong candidates who do represent views we support, and who would have brought great enthusiasm and likely votes to the campaign.

Instead we get someone part of the same old machine, a 'machine' by the way that has lost 7 of the last 10 presidential elections.

Obama ran on a theme of change. I'm not seeing a whole lot of change with this choice. What I am seeing is the same old, with people telling me to accept it because 'they support choice and women's rights.'

Not good enough, not when 216 years of history tell me one woman has been nominated for the presidency or vice presidency; when one was thrown in jail on some made up pretext when she ran for the presidency; where Congress with 18% or so of the membership women, is at its highest level ever - flip that number... 82% men is the lowest ever... and 2 women have sat on the Supreme Court over the 216 years.

And so are justifying the selection with 'be happy, they support your rights' appropriate? Not to me.

I could not bring myself to vote for McCain; if he picks Romney, Obama will get my vote. If he is bold of choice that trumps Obama's choice, I'll write in someone.

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

I understand your frustration

I hear you on the 216 years of nothingness, but at the same time, I personally can't get excited about Hillary Clinton. I guess that's what it comes down to. I almost voted for her in the primary, but ultimately could not get over a few of her policy stances. As a result, it doesn't bother me at all that she was not picked. I also don't think the other possibilities of female candidates were very strong in general. I like a lot of the female governors, but I am not sure that they were ready to be on the national stage. (I was unimpressed with Sebelius's post-debate commentary and deer-in-the-headlights look. But give her time, and I'm there.)

Take a look at the candidates that EMILY's List is backing, and there's good chances for more (progressive) women in Congress, governors' offices, and local government. I don't think that all is lost by just the VP pick by any means.

Yeah, it sucks to be asked - yet again - to wait. But given how bad things are on the policy front in terms of issues that I care about, I'll take any viable reversal of course that comes my way. My hope is that HRC's campaign was so groundbreaking that we can expect some really exciting future races with even stronger women contenders.

Suzanne Reisman, Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender
Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) & Oth

 

Nelle, when you type I hear my mother's voice

...invoking her irritation at Joe Biden during the Hill-Thomas hearings. Not his finest moment. What of his and Obama's policies re: women concern you the most? Seriously want to know and discuss this week during the DNC...

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

 

It isn't so much...

policy as the candidate himself.

I'm a liberal/progressive, whatever such labels imply. Well left of centre. Biden is pretty much occupying the same space politically.

My concerns are... he is a long term player in the Democratic status quo, someone who has never been able to get people outside of Delaware to vote for him for national office.

He has been in the Senate for a long long time, and as such was there and culpable when Congress flipped with the Contract With America (leaving out the substitution of 'On' despite huge temptation.) He is yet another power insider who have failed to demonstrably change the direction of this nation, despite ample opportunity to get it done.

Obama is supposed to be about change. I like him in some ways... that is I really liked the early Obama, pre-contention with Hillary. Both did not cover themselves with glory through the time from January through early June, but he emerged the victor - and now apparently decides to play it safe with a move toward the past and the old machine.

Maybe I've been around too long, my first vote was cast in the state elections of 1974. I've watched liberals run to excess and piss people off such that the country shifted right into the hands of what we have now.

I was looking for different, for new ideas. New ideas where old ideas would receive consideration only to the extent they were vetted and deemed worthy. I was looking for someone who just didn't mouth the words 'support women's rights,' but who lived and breathed and experienced and sometimes went to bed pondering things like equal rights for women, or why someone did not get a job she desired because some less qualified guy was selected.

IMO, Biden will not appeal to undecideds; he might win a debate on technical grounds - points - against the Republican nominee, but will people identify with him? Will the greater body of Hillary supporters identify with him?

Sebelius would have been a very good choice; at once bold, with a potential to really bring forth and seal the gains made via the Clinton campaign - a permanent shift in our base politics.

Obama whiffed on this opportunity. The policies might be there, but politics is more than policy... it is people, a decidedly human element, with considerations on that level. And in this case, Obama, who had shown so much promise by what he was bringing to politics, has lost that vision in favour of the safety and comfort of Joe Biden. I'd guess Obama has looked up to Joe along the way, and that is good... but that is his personal motivation and feeling, in a situation where he needs millions of others to see and feel what he sees and feels.

In an election where women were energised and excited and really thinking we could get this done, we get this... a redirect backward to 1984 or 1988 - a time where I watched my boss be forced to attend a corporate meeting held at a men's club where the company president had membership. She had to use the back door, they would not let her in through the front.

I'm 53, headed for 54... and the time where I get to see a woman hold the presidency or even the vice presidency - for the first time - is running out. 

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

This is very disturbing

Has anyone seen this circulating....I am personally sick:  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

 

Erin is bugging me in twitter so.... I'll
comment

I wish Obama would choose Palin but he won't - too bold a move for him (or anyone.) I would seriously consider him if he chose Sebelius - still a bold choice and an interesting team.

If it's Biden, ugh. Just ugh.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

Professor Kim shared a link...

Obama/Biden - I agree with this completely.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

I can imagine feeling that way

 But...our population is still heavy with people who were in their 40s or so then, and are in their 60s now and they VOTE, often, and in big larger proportion to their demographic than many other subgroups.  As many others are saying, this is about being pragmatic.

This is the U.S. after all.  I just got my fuddy duddy town to drop it's one political yard sign per yard per election law dropped - they'd been holding out because they said it's not aesthetically in line with the town's desires.  Talk about ugh.  I got a letter from our Mayor yesterday lamabsting groups like Ohio Citizen Action for having the NERVE, nerve I say, for canvassing door to door in our town to tell people about environmental issues.

So - you know - change is change and a country with more than 100 million voters is... a country with 100 million voters.

That's no excuse - just reality.

And to repeat, thank goodness it's not Jim Webb. THAT would have sunk me.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

 

Very interesting comments about
Dukakis/Bentsen Denise

...in this link to Tony Campbell's "Back to the Future" piece for the Examiner.

I can't agree, analytically. Michael Dukakis -- as a brand, a politician, a man -- is no Barack Obama. It's like comparing inviting people to fundraise, volunteer and vote to save a special cross-country skiing park in Vermont to inviting people to fundraise, volunteer and vote for an Olympic giant slalom downhill event.

An ear-to-ear (LOL) comparison puts Obama in a different galaxy.

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

 

I'm not jumping up and down over Obama/Biden

...but I'm sure my candidate has his reasons. And I will learn them soon.

I'm still pulling for Sebelius.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Biden: He's Clean and Articulate

I'm with all of you... 

Sebelius would have been the inspired choice.

Bayh was the logical choice

Biden Choice Unsettling...

First: Can the US afford another aggressive Presidential Id trying to show the young whippersnapper how to run the country...i.e. world?

Second: Is it a good thing when a Republican likes your Veep Choice?  

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22brooks.html

 

 

 

 

I was just thinking about you

Young whippersnapper! Aggressive Presidential Id.

Awesome.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

xox

I have to go back in my cave now, of course....call this my midnight slip...

great to hear from you as well.  

 

Wah!

Sneak out of your cave again soon. During DNC? After McCain announces? When Biden performs his first "misspeak"?

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

I should have said...Articulate?

No doubt Biden will fill the foreign policy void. But the Netroots can't handle Biden's truth. He didn't even bother to go to the Daily Kos or Netroots Candidate events.

And, well, how long will it be before Obama tells Biden to put a sock in it?

Even a U.S. President can take only so much lecturing. 

 

 

 

 

If he was smart and experienced and

had good advisers, I'd guess he has already told Biden not to open his mouth unless given permission first.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

A word of comfort ...

but humor first:

Biden: "I will count to ten before I speak...I will count to ten before I speak...I will...f#$k this! Now you listen to me, Barack!"

 I should add that there is NO politician in Washington who has a truly global view of foreign policy, nor a greater understanding of the Muslim culture and those regions. This may seem obvious given he is the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations committee. But seriously, he has an aide who literally has hung out in caves in Afghanistan. Biden truly does know his stuff.

Which begs the question: can the Senate, and all those credit card companies in Delaware, afford to lose a player of Biden's ilk?  

  

 

LOL

Clean and articulate, where have we heard that one before. LOL

Virginia DeBolt
BlogHer Technology Contributing Editor
Web Teacher
First 50 Words

 

Can I just say...

...I'm disappointed it wasn't my text that told me...but..

I am PROUD the main stream media investigated and broke a story. They did their jobs, and it's about time. I feel like they've been chasing our news cycle for so long...

They finally got one.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Obama's First Broken Campaign Promise?

Trying to be objective here but...

 

http://www.barackobama.com/splash/first_to_know.html

 

:-/ 

 

 

oh please

It's called a scoop!

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Well then Mr. Obama: the Old Media Lion has
awoken

 

 

I believe Senator Obama took us for a spin

I'm amused by everyone who was so excited about the idea of a text message announcement. I'm also amused that the Senator couldn't pull it off and I wonder how he* thought it would have gone.

Did he really think he could notify the losers and then fly his new VP to this big event in Illinois. And, not have people notice?

Duh.

* when I say he, I don't mean Obama himself, I mean his staff who decided this was brilliant and convinced him to approve it.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

Sometimes you gamble, and sometimes, you
lose.

btw, I can't get my hyperlinks to work  

 

I can fix it

I'm going to disable the rich text editor for you, you can write html, right?

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

it's been a while...and

it's been a while...and certainly not at 3a.m.!! hahaha

 

Thanks Denise! miss you much!

 

 

um then I won't disable

Write some sort of text to attach to the link, highlight that text and click the "little chain" icon. Insert the url into the box that pops up. That should do it.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

I'm disappointed

that I didn't get an e-mail, text or twitter before the old school media broke the news. But I agree that finally they got one right!

 

I didn't either!

Perhaps I signed up wrong? Or with the wrong email?

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

 

Biden?

 

I love it...

'yuk' about says it all...

Think anyone would listen to me on Catherine Crier? It would be great fun to see her debate someone like Romney.

How can we talk Catherine into running for office so that in another 4 years people actually see there is a huge amount of substance here?   

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

I am with you Denise

UGH! If McCain picks Lieberman...... hmmmmm

 

Go Joe!

I'd love McCain to choose a woman, I didn't think Obama would but I have (had) a tiny bit of hope for McCain. But Joe would make him a definite winner.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

Similar buzz about McCain - Lieberman as
about Obama - Biden

Here's a great cross-section of responses from Ohio in the Cleveland Leader. It's half love, half distaste.

But there IS already a button!

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

 

Ok - I'll say it: I love the Biden choice

Pimping my post about the happy dance over Biden.

But I'll write it too - I've met him, I've heard him live, I loved his debate performances. I'm not forgetting his gaffes or that he's a white male, but I was never a Hillary supporter and I've had my issues with the Obama campaign (more than with Obama himself I should add).

I really really like this pick  - and I analogize to the Ohio gov's pick of a guy named Lee Fisher who had run and lost in the Ohio gov. race the previous election cycle against Bob Taft who went on to have even more dismal ratings than Bush.

Bottom line: I want a Democrat in the house and in the majority in the Congress.  This ticket has the best odds at achieving at least the first if not help the latter.  That's what the pick is about, as I see it.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

 

I thought you might be happy

I've noticed your posts about Biden in the past and I thought you might be very happy with this choice.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

 

Would LOVE a woman or someone even more
distinctive, unique

But I want the White House more - and the diversity on the ticket, even as it is, is unprecedented - it makes it almost impossible for McCain to distinguish himself positively in the eyes of the majority of voters - if we can get those voters to vote!

 I'm not poo pooing the disappointment - but I am ready finally to fight and win. This was my break point - we are all different with that, I know.

 Thanks. :)

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

 

Maybe UGH was a little harsh

But I am a bit removed from all this at the moment (quite literally 7000 miles) and I was still holding out hope for the Obama/Clinton dream (or Redeem) Team....hence the UGH for Biden. I will let you know if the "Ugh" feeling goes away. Thanks for renewing my interest anyway... 

 

Jill, having read your 2008 comentary all
along

...it’s fascinating to watch the right lever be checked with you — click! You are now on board (ya'll go read Jill's personal blog). I wonder, reading all these other comments from disgruntled Hillary supporters and thrilled Republicans, what will come of this choice and how it will play this week at the DNC. What do you think?

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

 

You have to ask the hardest questions, now,
don't you!?

I can't just ride along, can I? Rats.

Well - first, let me say - I get people's complaints about Biden not being new, Biden not being a governor, Biden being male and white and from a small state.

BUT - I think if there are lessons we've learned already, that we might not have had the advantage of having until Obama become the candidate he now is (seriously, think back a year ago - he was sparkling, but how much more did we see beyond that sparkle compared to what we've seen in 12-15 mos?), they include:

1. trusting the people Obama trusts.  Not all of them, and not all of them on every decision.  But there's no doubt that the team he's assembled and relied on, by and large, over the last two years have some serious mojo and instincts and smarts. He had a VP selection committee - most people liked the people Obama named to help him.  If we can't trust this pick, if anyone who supported Obama can't trust this pick, you're going to have serious problems with him as a president, no?

2. Why the click? Because Biden has what I feel and have felt Obama lacks all along - and it is the double-edged sword that Nelle and a few others have pointed to that was referred to as entrenchment when it was mentioned in regard to Hillary: Biden has been there since he was 29!!!

But guess what? That "entrenchment" carries with it many goodies for people who are elected to be in D.C. - one of my concerns was the length of time it takes to build connections that can help you get what you want done actually done.  My concerns included confidence that Obama and his people, as new and fresh as many though not all of them are, could and would find the literally thousands of people they'll need to get done what they and we want them to get done.

These are the realities of goeverning a federal government. It's not sexy, it's not Utopian - it's what we have.

3. This is a Democracy.  Obama was not and has never been my pick for president, but I'm a Democrat and by the system we have in place, he's getting the nod to be the candidate.  I don't have to love it but I do feel that I have to want to vote for him.

To expect that Obama would pick someone as emblematic as he is of change ignores the fact that, as I mentioned before, we have more than 100 million people who will be voting and WANT to vote and to whom the Dem. ticket MUST appeal in order to win (well, half of that and then some for good measure).

Just as a unitary president or a single-party federal government is dangerous, so would a ticket that is change and change.  We simply do not have an electorate that wants that - they will not vote for it.  Change freaks out a LOT of people - even when they really sincerely believe they want it and know they need it - they can still get freaked out and pull back.

Biden is a hedge against that urge.

4. The female myth. I'm 46 - I want to break that ceiling too - but it never was Hillary for me - I don't care how feminine or what she is/was.  Yeah, I voted for her over Obama but I've always said I'd vote for whomever was the eventual nominee. Obama has many things going for him - no question. But not several of the things I prioritized in terms of governing.  That's just my perspective.

5. Why else I got the click: Biden is definitive where Obama is deliberative.  Deliberative is a thing i like - I love process.  But in times of crises, when you must act quickly, decisiveness with less info and input than you might prefer is necessary - and this is where Biden v. Obama's years in service matter to me.

6. There are other good choices, I happen to have lucked out that Obama chose the one I really like.  If it had been pretty much any of the others- with the exception of Webb - I would be fine too.  I just happen to really like Biden, Dodd and Richardson.

Again - we live in an enormous country.  Coming off of two weeks in a country of 6 million (Israel), really - unless you've lived under such a small national government with such a small and tight population - Arabs absolutely included (I'll be writing more about that this week), I know - it can be really difficult to realize just how many people half the electorate comprises.  And how varied.

This choice is about shoring up governing and concerns about governing. If we can make that case - that this is the team that can and will govern this nation to a position of strenth on so many levels where we've become weak or weakened, the White House will be Obama and Biden.  Independents want stability and improvement just as much as the next voter.  I believe this ticket has great potential to appeal to them.

And it's our job - those of us who support this ticket - to put out everything we can think of as to why this ticket is the one that can do that.

Speaking of which, I am compiing 57 reasons to vote Obama - Biden.  If you have some you'd like me to include, please please email me or comment here.

How'd I do?

 

 

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

 

On # 4...

Certainly there are parameters beyond which I'd not go in supporting any given woman for office. For instance Christina Hoff Sommers and Phyllis Schlafly as two examples...

but when it is close, not dealing with extreme differences, do we go with a candidate we might like just a teeny weeny bit better, or do we try and take out that ceiling?

Biden is the pick, and what I'm seeing elsewhere - amongst many who likely never would have uttered Biden's name as their choice for vp - is a total selling job on why he is a wonderful choice. I'm not sure who they are trying to convince - us malcontents or themselves.

I've certainly been chastised today for being hell bent on seeing Obama nominate a woman: gender musn't enter into our decision else we are being discriminatory, etc. Why, Biden supports most of what you support, and well... isn't that good enough?

No.

OK, I'll take the criticism and claim title to sexism if that is what it takes, but I'm not going to alter my opinion just because someone tosses that at me. At this rate it will be 2108 before a woman is actually in the Oval Office, we apparently have to wait for the moon and stars to properly align. Or we have to find the perfect candidate.

Barbara Jordan, wherever you are... come on back. Just for eight years.

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

Absolutely honest and understandable

I really do know what you mean, I do.  But I so cannot fathom McCain - so I think that your suggestion that the persuasion is for ourselves and for others is dead-on.  But that's the case even with fanatical lovers of Obama - I mean, he DOES have weaknesses - all the candidates do.  But in exchange for believing in a particular horse, we neutralize or negate or ignore them - this is true in all matters of debate and argument, yes?  It's a tactic, not necessarily something we buy or believe 100% - do you know what I mean?

Here in Cleveland we just lost Stephanie Tubbs Jones - I wonder what she would have said about Joe Biden.  But she wasn't holding out over HRC being VP from what we know.  That says a lot to me.

I can't speak for anyone else or judge anyone else's choices, but yes - I know what you mean - with all things being equal, who do you choose? I go for the women, I go for Ohioans, I go for alumni of my alma mater - there is something about choosing someone who shares something with you - that is natural and honest.

But I don't believe that HRC and Biden are similarly situated or identical candidates.

I do, however, believe that it's all Bill's fault. And if I were her, I honestly do not know what I would do with all the anger I'd feel toward him! (I voted for him twice and would vote for him again - pragmatism rules for me not spite - but if I were her - talk about argh and ugh).

Jill
Writes Like She Talks